Judge: Parental punishment key to ending youth violence

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A day before a special town hall meeting on youth violence, a juvenile court judge is pitching a new plan that would get tougher on parents.

Marilyn Moores, a Marion County juvenile court judge, said the deadly crime spree involving two teenagers last week, is beginning to lead to a public groundswell against youth violence.

“Between that and the problems that we’ve had downtown, I think people are concerned about what’s going on with kids,” said Judge Moores.

Moores said solutions to youth violence downtown often involve increased public presence of police officers and community leaders, but she said it’s not a long-term fix.

“Policing and government response to issues can’t be sustained,” Moores said. “It shouldn’t be sustained. It’s not fair to the taxpayer. What needs to be sustained is parenting.”

Moores said she sees that failure of family firsthand inside her courtroom.

“I see parents who sometimes can’t even be bothered to come to court with their kids,” Judge Moores said.

But even though she sees it, she said the biggest problem is that she can’t do much about it.

“We have plenty of ways of holding that child accountable, but we’re limited in what we can do with parents,” Moores said.

Though juvenile judges can’t do too much to punish parents currently, Moores believes that could be changed and could also be effective. She said one simple way to hold parents accountable would be to publicly release parent names of juveniles who are repeat offenders.

Judge Moores also believes parents of repeat offenders should be considered for fines and even criminal charges in certain circumstances.

“I think up to, and including jail in some extreme cases, might be appropriate,” Moores said.

In her opinion, that added accountability could be a sustainable solution. But even though she would like to enforce stiffer penalties for parents, she’s not the one who can make it happen.

“It would be the legislature and there are some bright folks over there who I know care about these issues,” Moores said. “Hopefully (they) are looking at them.”

A special town hall on youth violence will take place on Tuesday from 6-8 p.m. at the Eastern Star Church in Indianapolis.

67 comments

  • Renee

    When the system took the rights away from us parents to punish our kids. Why in this world would you hold the parents for the crimes and the fines. As a parent and a Grandmother I believe the courts and the system should be the ones to pay the fines. The system needs to let us be able to punish our kids like we were punished. I was spanked and grounded. Now today if we spank the kids you have them call 911 cause of abuse.. So i believe the system needs to be the ones to be punished for all this.. There were not as many crimes way back in my years as there is now due to the system………

    • Amanda

      I so agree with you. The judge said "Policing and government response to issues can’t be sustained,” Moores said. “It shouldn’t be sustained. It’s not fair to the taxpayer. What needs to be sustained is parenting.” Public officials should of thought about that before taking away the parents rights to actually parent their child. There is a difference between "beating your child" and "spanking your child". But the law does not think so. I will spank my child if my child needs it. I don't care who is there or what anyone has to say. And you don't know how many compliments I get on how well behaved my children are, how respectful they are, and how it's impressive they don't always have an electronic device in their hands. Give us back our rights, allow prayers and the pledge of allegiance back in schools and I promise teen crimes will decrease.

      • jack

        i have to agree with Renee and Amanda i am a law abiding citizen i am no stranger to butt spankings and other parenting sets that were allowed when i grew up and i would have to agree that back then juvenile crimes were a lot less and no where near as bad as they are now yes i was a rebellious kid as a normal child but i was raised to respect my elders and look at me now i am a successful man and i feel that i will raise my kids the way i was taught the old fashioned way my kids will respect their elders and not do half of the things kids these days are doing it is a disgrace to our nation on what the government has done by taking our parenting rights away i will have to admit there is a fine line between spanking your kids and beating them but all because a few bad parents stepped out of line ruined it for the rest of us good parents it is no surprise to what the world is coming to but i doubt the government will ever see that till it is too late

    • Elizabeth

      I couldn't agree more. Spanking is a last ditch effort in our house to correct repeat bad behavior, an naturally a phone call from CPS is shortly there after. For a spanking! A spanking! You know… on the butt.

    • Mettaintheworld

      You start holding some parents responsible for their kids actions (make some examples of a few and YES, start with THESE TWO)…I bet there will be some parents step up their parenting game and MAKE SURE their kids are not out being little beasts..instead of being lazy and just holding onto this 'fantasy' that 'oh, my kid doesnt do anything wrong' Get your kids involved in after school activities when they are young, spend quality time with them (NOT in front of the TV)…stop buying them everything thinking that somehow replaces time with them. TALK to them. LISTEN to them. REMEMBER they NEED/WANT guidance! BE A ROLE MODEL for them. absolutely parents should be held accountable…! If you are a parent your child should be your number ONE priority..you, your needs, your wants….they ALL take a backseat. it's YOUR duty to the child, to yourself AND to the community!

      • merrilee

        that would be great if the school systems and justice systems didn't already teach our young ones that all you have to do is call 911 and here comes CPS and investigations. You can't even swat yor child on the bottom with the cops getting called. They have tied the parents hands.

  • Nikki

    I agree 100% with Renee. As a parent who has been reported for "abuse" when I was disciplining my child, I have dealt with the system and seen first hand how out of hand it is. If you want our children to be decent, respectable adults, then you're going to have to let us parents raise them with a firm hand and be able to correct them without fear of repercussion. Abuse is not ok, but spanking your child and having consequences for their bad choices is NOT abuse. The system needs to learn this and give parents back the power they need to prevent situations like this from happening. I am sure many parents who have went through what I have are probably scared to death to discipline their child because they don't want to have their child taken away by CPS. So, you have now created apathetic, timid parents who have no idea what to do with their out of control, disrespectful, entitled teens. Congratulations.

    • Mettaintheworld

      Why is everyone talking about 'I can't dicipline my child without hitting them?" My father or mother NEVER laid a hand on me…didn't HAVE to….I knew when that tone changed, when they had that look on their face..I better straighten the hell up or anything I wanted to happen was NOT going to happen…including a planned birthday party. 'act like a little jerk, get NOTHING…' you don't need corporal punishment to get your point across! If you do, then you've probably already failed…because your child is in control. stop giving kids contol of everything so they won't throw a fit…you're the parent…begin with control, keep the control…! damn. you all act like it's brain surgery! maybe you should not have reproduced!

      • Blues1503

        Some kids don't respond to non-spanking discipline. I have one child that all I have to do is give the look and raise my voice, another that coudl care less until they're spanked. Just depends on the child.

      • Mettaintheworld

        This is very true Blues..and the parent is the only one who would know this..and I say if your kid needs a good 'whoopin' or whatever people call it…then I say..by all means…DO IT. youare the parent. you know what the kid needs. a little 'what for' every now and again can keep a kid on track. I personally did not need it. my dad was VERY scary with words and looks….so I was lucky..and I'm a VERY respectful, working, appreciative adult.

  • Joy

    I think it would be a great idea only if parents were able to punish their kids without the fear of child abuse charges. Spanking and grounding. Yet i have seen kids smack their moms, push her out of the way, calling her a B and storm out the door just to do what they wanted. Some kids have no respect for their parent/s or grandparent/s. The laws need to be rewritten and abuse needs to be redefined. For we have 25 years of this BS and those children have had kids and in some cases their kids had kids. It is out of control and as i teach teens in my neighborhood, YOU are responsible for your actions no one else but you. No one can "MAKE" you do anything. Parents need to be more involved in their children's life. The whole family – home has broken down and it is going take time to fix it.

  • Anonymous

    I hope and pray my children never get mixed up with the wrong ground i do have too say if this is a juvienile the parents are still responsible for there children. If the child is always getting in trouble and the parents can not control there child who do they turn too? Counseling is an option putting them in girls or boys school is another option but when these children are over a certain age to where that child can work then that child need’s pay too get there self out of trouble only when the parents have helped them enough now. The age on working is 14 and a work permit but only work certain hours due too school. Parents should have that right too disclipline there children now this child abusive when none is going on has went on long enough now.

    • Amanda

      I say if they cannot control the child..find someone that can! Beat their a$$e$!! Boot camp!!
      The day the government took away the right to punish our kids as WE as parents see fit its the day we 'lost' the control we have had as parents. Now the kids think all they have to do is scream abuse for getting their a$$e$ beat when they deserve it…
      Not at my house! If the kids are ignorant enough to do something worth being punished for, don't think for one minute they won't get it! I refuse to raise disrespectful, hell raising, POS kids!

  • Anna

    I agree with this. You see kids acting up younger and younger these days and it is because their parents never disciplined them. If the parents started disciplining their children the right way (ie: time outs or spanking that DOES NOT leave marks) when they are younger then it will be corrected before any further problems can arise. Also, there are many ways to discipline your children without ever using your hand. Bottom line, start young and they won't have such a problem when they are older. People idolize their children and treat them like glass that will break if they even yell at them. Get over it and do your job as a parent!! I hope to see this pass just so new parents can see what will happen if they don't get control of their kids when they are young.

    • Mettaintheworld

      man Anna, couldn't have said it better myself! I hope YOU are a parent or are planning on having kids, because we need more people like you reproducing..people who GET IT.

      KIDS NEED/WANT STRUCTURE and they WANT you to be their parent..not their friend. TEACH.

  • RedStateVet

    Spanking? Sounds good, but it would not work on most of these thugs. Most of them don't know who the "Baby Daddy" is , and if there are siblings, most likely each one has a different Daddy… who is not there. Until the thug culture is no longer accepted, this type of senseless violence will continue.

    • Ricky

      Thugs haha no what u call thugs is what I call brats , a real thug don't beat up on their moms or disrespect people they do how ever keep it real and take a close look , these kids now days ain't real they r fake and stand for nothing just like the laws we have for them, u tell me kids get away with everything now days and then u do the only thing u can towards these kids that don't care about anything cuz they never worked for ne thing or know they value of their lilttle iPod that they are carrying around they don't stop to think their parents worked hard for them to get those things just to turn around and have their kids put them down or run all over them , times have changed and until we change and hold these children doing adult things responsible we will keep being on repeat. If a kid has sex and has a kid then the parents are looked down upon but the kid made his or her own chOices shouldn't the same be held upon in the eyes of the law? I don't get any slack from them and neither should a teen that is under age but did a adult crime or wanted to act like a adult and then wants a child like sentence freedom is not free but a right that our forefathers fought and gave their lives for, are you gonna let a little brat take advantage of it????

      • Mettaintheworld

        AMEN Ricky…AMEN! Stop playing the blame game parents…you brought them into this world..they are YOUR Job 24/7 until they can do it on their own. Not some project you can pick up and fiddle with when it's convenient for you. MAKE your kids value things, make them WORK for what they want. Everyone feels so GD entitled to have sh*t handed to them! sick of it and sick of the idiots reproducing!

  • DTSmith

    What a blatantly racial headline. This is not violence – it is precious black youth acting out as the direct of an oppresive and overbearing white society.

    • FutureIsOnUs

      If this is what you teach the youth around you then you are just as much at fault for the violence in todays youth as the Gov is for disallowing parents to punish. Just because the headline is followed by a story of 2 black youth going on a spree of mayhem has nothing to do with race. White man this, white man that, not many of todays youth have taken a half of a second to reflect on what their ancestors went through to get them to where they are today. The youth are destroying what the ancestors sweated so hard to build. The Youth have no respect and many of the adults are breeding this into their minds.

      • Patty

        Hey Dozer, I jump though there hopes . Been there done it. And I know what I am saying so before you think you know where someone is coming from , you just mite want to ask first. And I was one of those moms who ask for help.

      • Dwain

        Dozer. Until you have been the parent of an openly defiant child that says NO, I don't have to and you can't make. And if you touch me I will call the police and have you arrested. Then proceeds to pick up the phone and called 911, You need to cool the attitude. Because when the police show up regardless of if you have touch them or not you're either arrested or CPS becomes involved. When you have an openly defiant child punishment sometimes becomes an impossibility. Unless you're willing to go to jail just trying to be a responsible parent.

  • FutureIsOnUs

    Sadly many parents have approached this same court to get help with their unruly child(ren) and have been told there is nothing the court can do until the child commits a serious crime. We have no structure in todays society, there is no longer a "village". When I grew up you respected/feared your parent, teacher, elders, law enforcement, and so on. You messed up down the street and Mr Bob would get your backside and your parent would know before you got home and you would get the backside redressed again. Our Future is lost to the Gov rules and ways. I too was spanked (harshly), my children were spanked, and today my grandchildren are spanked.

  • Indiana__101

    In addition to what has already been stated here, I also feel community/city leaders should be held accountable as well. Why? In most Teen's have nothing at all geared towards them to do and/or participate in. With nothing to do most are bound to get into trouble. Also note in most homes if there are 2 parents at home most have to work to just make ends meet now-a-days. On a side note children with poor education and no school activities to speak of anymore. It's a wonder there aren't even more Teens getting into trouble. Granted in a lot of cases parents should know more of what their children are getting into and should join forces to inform officials there should be activities for them. In closing I would like to state it is a "Community/City" based problem and that from our Governor, down to the parents should be held into account and not just parents, most have a hard time making ends meet

    • ClanSmokeJaguar

      >t Teen's have nothing at all geared towards them to do and/or participate in.

      It's not the community's job to keep children entertained and out of trouble.

      • unowutopinionsrlike

        Yes, but the community is who has shut down or blocked the development of every skate park, arcade, and youth oriented business. There are no longer local boys and girls clubs. The YMCA costs major cash. School activities cost major cash. There really is nothing for teens. Anywhere. Most places you have to be 18 to work there, or at least 16. No 14 yr old is going to get a job when there are 100 adults applying for the same job. Reality bites. There is nothing for kids unless you're loaded with money.

      • ClanSmokeJaguar

        >There is nothing for kids unless you're loaded with money.

        I remember times of going to hike in a nearby creek, scale a (dangerous), cliff-like area, play football at a nearby school, games, etc.

        Sorry, but there's no way you can convince me it's up to the government/businesses to "give" teens something to do.

        It's a cop out to say so.

      • Mettaintheworld

        Once again….No one wants to be held accountable. ^ THERE ARE PLENTY of things to do that don't cost money, only problem is, you have to get out from in front of your TV to find them and not be a follower…Be a pioneer, be a leader…stop waiting for everyone to hand things to you!

      • Mettaintheworld

        BTW..I had ZERO money when I was a wee lass….and I had PLENTY to do and none of it involved shooting, stealing or being a dumbf*ck. !!!! stop making excuses!

    • Mettaintheworld

      "I also feel community/city leaders should be held accountable as well. Why? In most Teen's have nothing at all geared towards them to do and/or participate in."

      I'm sorry but when did raising YOUR kid become MY respsonsibility???? YOU had them,,,DO YOUR JOB! Nothing to participate in? Are you SERIOUS? There are PLENTY of positive, productive things to get into, they are not 'easy'…so the little whiners want everything handed to them, easily! Welcome to life people, if you want something you have to WORK for it. Teach your kids about hobbies and being self reliant. Stop blaming everyone but yourself. If your kids an asshole…just remember the apple doesnt fall far from the tree!

  • ClanSmokeJaguar

    The judicial system should also mandate that if a child of a welfare/entitlement recipient commits a felony, all assistance is lost.

    This will curb 70% of youth crimes because mammies will be beating the living hell out of their wayward children versus having to get up and get a job!

  • Allison

    I am a well educated mother of give as well as a social worker for a number of years. I don’t disagree that some parents should be held responsible for their lack of parenting effort, follow up, or general supervision of their children. However, to say that parents in general must receive harsher punishments for their children’s behavior?? Many of us who parent teens slowly work to low them to gain trust as they be tire our in to this chaotic world with their friends, their new drivers licenses, no exposures and no ideas of what is fun. I take the needed steps to try and not only protect my children but to ensure that they are where they are suppose to be, with whom they are suppose to be with, and doing what they were suppose to be doing. However my teenager children ha e gotten over on me before and sadly I’m sure will do it again. They HAVE minds of their own, they know right from wrong, and they have free choice. Hold us responsible parents for our children’s extremely poor choices takes responsibility off of them. Their though process is t going to be “I’ll be in so much trouble if I get caught” it will be expected that their level of trouble will be decreased because us parents will take the brunt of it. I am well aware that there are extreme cases of parent irresponsibility, remember I’m a social worker that has worked with DCS and families of poverty for a number of years. But the concept to hold all parents responsible for their children’s free will when the majority of parents put forth an effort in holding their children accountable and in supervising their behaviors appropriately. And let’s not forget the large majority of parents are working, pursuing education, and/or single parents with minimal support. So to Mrs. Moore I ask what is your grandiose plan with these parents? Stick them in jail? Make them incur hundreds or thousands of doars in fines? You bring up the tax payers when in fact your idea continues to cost tax payers money because those parents you stick in jail or nail with fees loose their jobs, need food stamps or Medicaid to help get by, and their children recieve lunch and text book assistance etc. so in fact your rediculous and what I consider to be ignorant and dylusional, doesn’t ho tax payers, parents, or kids!!! Do you have children? Do they attend public school? If you have teenagers the difference is that your children seen perfect they just haven’t gotten caught making poor decisions yet and maybe, just maybe that’s because YOU in fact are following up as you should have or supervising them as you should have. Don’t judge all parents equally. God gave us all the free will to think for ourselves it doesn’t mean we all use it to the same appropriate standards as we should.

  • John

    I agree with all those that have mentioned parents rights taken away by the system. There is really no such thing as parental control over their own children, as the state and federal judges, law enforcement, lawyers, etc, have taken that away. While there are many cases of actual abuse in the world, I would think that those are the ones that should be monitored and dealt with. So, maybe judge Moore is the parental savior that will redefine state and federal laws, and actually turn parenting back over to those that will be held responsible. I am very curious as how this will be accomplished.

  • No Name

    As a parent of a now 42 year old man that is currently in prison and started stealing when he was a child, I can not agree with punishing all parents. A part of me feels that some parents need to take more responsibility in raising their children to be honest and caring citizens, but from personal experience I know that it doesn't always work. We had our son to his first Psychologist at the age of 8 and then graduated to a Psychiatrist by the time he was 13. We felt helpless and I might add still do! We did everything the authorities told us to do and by the time our son was 13 the Psychiatrist felt sorry for us! I can't help but think there are some parents out there that are trying and still can't keep their child from doing crimes. I would say that probably most of the kids this day do not have enough parental supervision, but there is always the exception. I would be concerned about.the parents that have a child like we did and were helpless.

    • ClanSmokeJaguar

      >s a parent of a now 42 year old man that is currently in prison and started stealing when he was a child, I can not agree with punishing all parents.

      lol…big shocker there.

      Sorry, but we're not talking about parents who, like you, were active with their teens and their problems.

      We're talking about the mofos that let their children rip and run wild in the streets and do NOTHING to curb their behavior except excuse them.

      You know…the ones who sometimes wind up wailing in the street that "my baby gone" after being capped by a would-be victim or cop. Those type of "parent" that do little to correct the course of their child's life.

      • No Name

        This is why I have mixed feelings about this subject. I know there are parents that just drop their kids off at the mall or don't try to keep track where their kids are going or care what their kids are doing. Plus, I realize that there are kids that live in terrible home situations. I understand that, but if they pass this law, there should be some way to protect the parents that are trying to do all the right things and not have to worry about going to jail or being fined. I realize that my situation was in the minority, but still, we were always afaid of him becoming violent or someone sueing us for his actions. Fortunately neither of those two things happened. Back then, Dr Ehrmann of IU ( I don't know if he is still there or not) told us that probably the only reason that he was not violent was because even though he was punished he was never abused. I want to see kids protected from bad parents, but I also want to see good parents protected from kids that have psychological problems too. There's really not that many parents out there that are in the situation that we were in and I pray it stays that way. But still, I can't help but want to protect those families that are.

  • Mettaintheworld

    Everyone here disagreeing with this idea…you are doing the exact thing the judge is talking about…don't want to be held accountable for something that is ON YOU…from the get. PARENT your children and you won't have to worry about fines and jail time…but ultimately it IS YOU JOB. Your children are a direct refelction of you and your parenting and how you've raised them. I can't believe that people are against this…it just shows how we, as a society have moved towards not wanting to be held accountable! I say FINE FINE FINE and jail time when the deed warrants. You've done a good job raising your kids, you won't have to worry about it, its not the courts or the taxpayers job to do YOUR job…teach them right from wrong and reiterate that…DAILY. you are not there to be there 'BFF' you are their parent!

  • Michele

    I am the mother of a 16 year old daughter. I raised my daughter the way I was raised. With discipline, respect for everyone, rules and consequences. I never beat my child however when she got spanked she knew I meant business. When it came time for the schools to teach about CPS and the first time she used that as a threat to me, I handed her the phone and told her to go ahead and call. She was surprised I did not feel threatened. Being consistent and firm with my child worked. I can proudly say she is a straight A student, has not had sex, does not drink, smoke or do drugs. If she wants something she has to earn it. I don't get things just handed to me in life and neither will she. So many people use the excuse "It's the typical teenage thing" when a teen gets in trouble and to me that is not a good excuse. If we as parents had our rights back as parents a lot of what these teens do would not be typical anymore. We can as parents change what is considered typical teenage behavior by simply backing up what we say. If you have a consequence for something stick to it no matter what. If you don't then get some. The state of Indiana has what is called incorrigibility law. All parents should read up on this and use it if needed.

    • Mettaintheworld

      AWESOME Michele…wish we had more parents out there like YOU! I bet if your daughter DID do something wrong, you would make HER accountable for her actions…I applaud your effort AND your daughter for following the right path!

      • Michele

        Absolutely! She would have to pay the consequences given by law and then have to deal with me. It may sound a little weird but I have always said, I wan't my children so afraid to have to face me if they break the law or don't do what is expected of them that they would be begging the officer to take them to jail. My daughter has one thing I think a lot of children lack these days which is she truly does not want to disappoint me or her father. I am very lucky. I also have three children between the ages of 1-3 and they too will be raised the same way my oldest was.

      • Mettaintheworld

        Good job Michele…! Too many parents worried that their kids won't like them…wanting them to be their friend or just not giving a shit at all. Thinking that church or other family members will take care of it….If you decide to have kids, realize that this is a lifetime commitment and put some TIME And ENERGY into the beings you are turning loose on the world! We'd ALL appreciate that.

  • all-lynn

    there are those children that just do what they do. my son was raised in a 2 parent working BLACK household . from the time he could reach he would steal. i took him back to stores returned everything .as he got older spanked, punished, asked for managers for him to return things and apologize for stealing it ,yet he continued. he went to juvenile more than a few times he had to work to pay his own fines, and community service work was ordered . what more could we do? we dont smoke, drink,party, or snort. faithful church goers and spent plenty of time with our children.how in this instance could the parent be held responsible? this story has a good end however,he now has a masters in psychology and helps youth in these type of situations. i am sure that there are more parents that have done all they can and not have happy endings like mine.

    • No Name

      This is why I have mixed feelings about this subject. I know there are parents that just drop their kids off at the mall or don't try to keep track where their kids are going or care what their kids are doing. Plus, I realize that there are kids that live in terrible home situations. I understand that, but if they pass this law, there should be some way to protect the parents that are trying to do all the right things and not have to worry about going to jail or being fined. I realize that my situation was in the minority, but still, we were always afaid of him becoming violent or someone sueing us for his actions. Fortunately neither of those two things happened. Back then, Dr Ehrmann of IU ( I don't know if he is still there or not) told us that probably the only reason that he was not violent was because even though he was punished he was never abused. I want to see kids protected from bad parents, but I also want to see good parents protected from kids that have psychological problems too. There's really not that many parents out there that are in the situation that we were in and I pray it stays that way. But still, I can't help but want to protect those families that are.

  • Brenda Kay

    what do you expect when the law took away parents rights, thanks to the CPA and the law makers, now you want to put the blame on the parents, after giving kids full control, read some of the stories about kids that have lied and got parents locked up for something that was not true to begain with, the CPA, law makers and judges made this problem so now deal with it,

    • Mettaintheworld

      With thinking like that Brenda "took my rights away as a parent"…you've already lost the battle. YOU give the power to your kids…that's on you. Stop being such a welcome mat.

  • Jennifer

    I also believe that parenting is the problem with juveniles today. But I’m pretty sure that not long ago they came out with timeouts in order to discipline kids. Now everyone wonders why todays youths are out of control. I’m sorry but when my children were young they got a good rear end spanking! And yes I am surprised that I wasn’t caught on someone’s camera while handing out that spanking in my vehicle in a store parking lot. But parents rights to discipline were taken away and called abuse and NOW everyone is crying bad parenting. Timeouts don’t work how about getting back to discipline that made our children fear and respect adults. No I don’t mean anything more extreme than that. But when my kids were younger all I had to do is ask them if they wanted a visit to the bathroom when we were in a public place and they were acting out, and that put them in line real quick. I also never forgot to give them love attention and affection, and still do. My children are 16 and 18 now and know the difference between right and wrong. And I are not out shooting or robbing people. And we live in the inner city as well, where they have to deal with a lot of crap. And even though we live in the inner city I have still provided a loving and caring home. Too many kids don’t have that anymore.

  • D. Cannon

    As a married father of one and stepfather to two others(because Bio-Dad is a complete idiot and useless crackhead), I too believe that you "Spare the rod,spoil the child" . I was whipped with a belt as a kid ..IF I DESERVED IT…but most times when I acted up,I simply got grounded. Now I've had my 14 yr old stepdaughter threaten to call CPS on me if I lay a finger on her. I wouldn't have seen the light of day in summertime of I did HALF of the things this child has said or done in the last 2 years alone. I know some of it is typical teenage rebellion,but she's crossed the line several times. Just the other day,she screamed "WHATEVER,I HATE MY LIFE" and proceeded to slam the door to her bedroom and in the process knock two pictures of the wall. This is one of those times I woulda got the stuffing whipped out of me. But I KNEW the consequences of my actions and respected my parents….our kids walk all over us because our hands are tied. Good luck "SYSTEM" ..she's all yours in 3-1/2 years.

    • Michele

      I know how you feel. I have a 16 yr old step daughter whom my husband had custody of. She hated that we had rules and did everything to get to live with her mom. It finally happened when we found a note she had written to a friend that she had lined people up to kill me and my husband. this was her response for getting in trouble for wearing jeans that were not appropriate for school. We had her arrested and the prosecutor decided not to press charges because we were not intended to see the note she had written to her friend. Needless to say she lives with her mom now.

  • Tonya

    No, I do not agree with this. Have authorites stopped to realize that about the same time they took parents rights away to give a good solid butt spanking away that the crime among youth started rising? Some parents do need to be punished but only if shown that they are not trying to keep kids in control. On the other hand most parents are doing everything they can and children just do not listen as they have no reason to be afraid. Mom or dad punish them so they cry abuse and report the parents. As parents we are powerless over our children these days. I do not agree with beating a child in anyway, but smacking their butt solidly and grounding so that they cannot go out of the home at all,,, no phone no internet and such.. yeah. Stop making every punishment that works abuse and you will see the crime among youth drop.

  • GUEST

    This is the most ridiculous proposal I have ever heard. I cannot even believe that someone who has sat there on the bench and helped pacify unfit parents and coddle juvenile whose parents actually filed incorrigible charges against their own children, who would skip school, run with gangs be driven to school walked in, to only walk out the back door in a matter of minutes; moron of a judge sat right there and excused defiant behavior behavior despite the parent's extensive efforts to get therapy, counseling, medication, probation etc., the parent working a full-time job and a part-time to pay the bills and this idiot judge rules the parent had to attend even further counseling with the punk/wanna be bad-boy, parent lost their job because they had to keep missing work to attend the 3 round of family intervention therapy…BULLS^^^^! There are SOME KIDS who just wanna be punks and brats period JUDGE!! You should know that by now, but of course you just want to continue to punish parents who ARE TRYING TO BE PARENTS and who have tried to kick their kids butt. You are wishy-washy on the and off bench Judge Moores is a self-righteous moron who HELPED CREATE a lot of these incorrigible BRATS and now she wants to PUNISH the parent even further?? You HYPOCRITICAL BIGOTED WITCH!! There are some parents who don't monitor their children but you Ms. Moores are and always have been part of the problem, along with probation officers, DCS workers and this cry-baby mentality that has nurtured and created a this environment that has produced these kids with these attitudes of entitlement, narsicism and a whole new generation of youth who lack genuine empathy, humanity and NO RESPECT for self, others or even HUMAN LIFE! Don't pee down our backs and say it's rain sister; we know you HELPED CREATE THIS MESS!!

  • Amanda

    I say if they cannot control the child..find someone that can! Beat their a$$e$!! Boot camp!!
    The day the government took away the right to punish our kids as WE as parents see fit its the day we 'lost' the control we have had as parents. Now the kids think all they have to do is scream abuse for getting their a$$e$ beat when they deserve it…
    Not at my house! If the kids are ignorant enough to do something worth being punished for, don't think for one minute they won't get it! I refuse to raise disrespectful, hell raising, POS kids!

  • guest

    I believe that in Marion County there is a lack of justice in our juvenile system. Fifteen years ago my daughter was caught with marijuana at school. (the school searched her per my request) She was promptly taken to the juvenile center and they had called my home for me to pick her up before I could even get home. When I refused because I felt she needed to know she could not break the law and get away with it, I was frowned upon because I said to leave her there until her court hearing the next day. When she ran away several months later, I refused to drive 2 hours to go get her and was again frowned upon. I didn't dump her two hours from home and I think she needed to figure out that she was accountable. The system did nothing to help me and I went to every agency I could think of. The court system sent her to classes that I had to pay for and she got off without any punishment. How can we expect our young people to understand that at the age of 18, breaking the law will mean jail time if the system doesn't help them understand that before their 18th birthday. We suddenly expect them to be law abiding citizens but the juvenile system does not support the parents in their efforts to get out of control teens in control. If they run away, that is not a crime but we can be punished if we refuse to allow them to come back home. The last time I looked, my house didn't have a revolving door and I should not have to accept my child's behavior with no consequences except to me.

  • mrs.mitchell

    once again the system sucks. Im going to keep it real. kids do what they want to do they dont care what people have to say and that mean their parents. What the system plans to lock the parents up because they bad ass kids dont listen. Then if the parent have go to jail who going to keep the kid or if the parent has charges how are they going to take care of the fines cause they cant get a job cause of the charges come on lets get real. These kids dont have anything to do with there spare time. There no funding for after school programs like the "boy and girls clubs" just something to keep the kids to look forward too. People are living in single parent homes what are they going to do charge and fined one parent I'll be damn if i get in trouble my kids father better be too.

  • tank

    when i was a child i used to get spanked on a regular basis it taught me respect for my parents and gran parents i totally agree that the pansies of the government and cps did this to us when they took our rights to spank our children

  • Patty

    We live in a society with too much government intervention. Parents are given all the responsibility of raising their children but not the ability to correct them. Schools teach our youth from first grade on that your parents do not have the right to punish you. Without the ability to punish our children how do you expect us to correct them. As for Judge Marilyn Monroe wanting to fine parents for unruly and criminal acts committed by children. The government tided our hands we do the best we can with what were allowed to do. We are dealing with an issue that society has created. If you want to fine parents it must be on a case-by-case basis not a blanket situation. Most parents have tried, the institution has bound our hands. I challenge Judge Monroe to talk to parents that have really tried, but has been beaten by the system that our society has created.

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